TSM DKP-Rules v1.11 (Last Change: 25th September 2007)
The Silent Minority uses a DKP-System to distribute loot fairly and
equal among its members, allies and guests. DKP stands for “Dragon
Kill Points” and is a commonly used system - although used in
many different ways. We use the basic version of the DKP principle along
with giving a bonus for comeing early and staying till the end of a
raid. We also support one alt character (called DKP-alt) but restrict
it to that. This way we make sure that main characters are equipped
faster then alts to make us stronger in general. But lets see how it
The System of Main / DKP-Alt / Alts
TSM is alt-friendly but not totally open. This means you can have one
main character and one DKP-Alt. You can only bid for these two (should
be registered on website and marked appropriate). You can exchange your
main/dkp-alt at any time by simply changing it on the website and leaving
a note on the websiteforums. However bringing a new alt into the system
has some penalties. For example a cleric is your DKP-Alt and you want
your newly created ranger alt to be your new dkp alt (for equipping
him) then you have to endure a 30 day period in which you cannot bid
for either your ranger or cleric.... So in short at any
given time there is a maximum of two characters you can bid for and
that we have to be aware of.
Before you raid with The Silent Minority and can earn DKP, you should
register on our main website http://www.thesilentminority.net.
The activation is instant, so after you registered you can right away
log into the website and get a few more menupoints visible. Once you
are registered and logged in you should enter ALL your
characters that will EVER raid with TSM (that includes
alt characters that you bring for flaghailing). Saves the DKP-Admin
some trouble to look alt #5000 up in 5 different rosters...
Note: if you are an ally of The Silent Minority we also encourage
you to not only enter your character (name/level) but as well enter
your PoP and GoD flags at least.
Looking up your DKPs:
You can look up your current dkp-standing in several ways:
http://www.thesilentminority.net/dkp and look for your username
there. You have several different options to filter dkps and to compare
to other members. So if a nice plate item drops on a raid you can
filter it for plate classes only and see how many dkp the other plate-classes
have and then bid depending on this info. If you are logged in properly
your name and characters will also highlight down the list.
- Our website also shows your current DKP in the upper right corner
next to your Username IF you are logged in properly.
Note a): by clicking on the DKP in the upper right corner of the
website you get to the dkp section (shortcut)
Note b): by clicking on your Name in the upper right corner of the
website you get to your useroverview where you can see your attended
raids, itembids and the like.
Note c): the above two things just work when you are registered
and logged in properly !
DKPs are earned "per Person" not per character.
That means if you box 5 people on a raid you get dkp for one only.
There is a Startbonus of 3 DKP if you are in the raid at the starttime
of the raid. We normally raid Sundays and Mondays so be at Qeynos-Stone
before 7:30pm GMT to get this bonus (yes we are a european guild).
A shot of the current raidmembers will be made in the time of about
The Endbonus is given when the raid is finished. This in average ranges
on normal raiddays from about 10:30 pm gmt to 11:30pm gmt. The Endbonus
is 1 DKP.
Each member or guest earns 6 DKP an hour (1 every 10 Minutes). The
time ticks as soon as the raid starts and you are in.
Note: If we are unable to get someone into a raid due to limited
seats, level restrictions, not having expansion or lack of flags the
poor souls that have to sit outside will earn full dkp for as long
as they are online (after the target is finished they can rejoin).
We are a family type guild and if we have to leave someone behind
we make sure he at least gets rewarded fairly. We also do not force
them to sit at entrance - if you cannot join you can exp somewhere,
sort your guildbank or watch TV. Just make sure you can rejoin quickly
if a target is called where everyone can join.
Who can bid?
Main Characters and DKP-Alts that are present at the
As said above only Main Characters and dkp-alts can bid on items
UNLESS the item is called for "all alts" in which case
you can bid for any of your characters. Also the person you bid
for has to be at the spot where the item dropped. In no way are
you allowed to bid for a character that isn't there and that you
need to run over to grab it. If that means an item will rot, then
it will rot.
Recommended and required level
The character you bid for has to be of appropriate required
level to use the item. So if you are level 60 and something drops
that has a required level of 65 your bid will not be considered
valid. This goes for runes as well, as level 68 you cannot bid on
a level 69 rune that you cannot use immediately. If no one bids
on the item however the call for "all alts" is made and
that includes falling of the level restriction. Feel free to bid
for your level 1 toon and buy him a greater rune then.
The number the officers call along with the name of the lootitem
represent the minimum bid for the item. This means the item will
be destroyed if people don't bid the minimum prize. As always there
is an exception to the rule: before we destroy an item you can bid even when you do not posess
the dkps. That means we allow you to go negative before we have
to destroy loot. If the call for "all alts" is made you can bid normally for all your alts and even higher then the minimum. For speedup-reasons normally those bidding minimum for their alts will roll tho.
Also some minor loot will be called as 0 dkp,
so you can actually bid for 0 dkp.
Example: you are the only ranger at a ikkinz raid of ours and
the ranger-only-nodrop Darkglint Blade drops you have to pay 20
dkp (which will most likely be the minimum bid cause its a good
item) or the item will be destroyed. If an item is worth looting,
its also worth some dkp.
The Bid Procedure:
- item drops
- officer that is not bidding him/herself will call it in raidchat
(some do in current raidchannel too)
- officer will call it three times if its a good item, probably
less when its a trashdrop.
- raiders send tell to officer with their bid
- officer announces winner after the three calls.
The concept of blind bids:
When you bid for an item you have to bid what it is
worth for you, the officer will not tell
you if you are the current highbidder (like ebay).
So if you want the item badly you have to overbid the normal prize
to be sure it will be yours. So it may be happening that you are
the only one bidding for an item and your bid is very high. Bid
as you like, bid what you think its worth. If you do
not win the item, your points of course are not spend !
Your bids should range anywhere from the minimum dkp to your current
dkp in steps of 0.5 !
What if two people bid the same?
In this special case the officer will tell those two to
"up or hold" - that means those two only get the chance
to raise their bid to get the item. This will be called once only
- if both hold or up the same amount (resulting in yet another draw),
then the dice will decide.
It is not allowed to go negative dkp if you bid over the
minimum amount of an item. If this by accident happens you will
earn dkp at half rate until you are at 0 again. (if you go -10 dkp
then you have to earn 20 regular dkp to get to 0 again). Each raider
has to know his current DKP before a raid. So in short you can always
bid minimum DKP for an item (normally 20) even if you dont have
any DKP left. If you in that case go negative you will not get penaltied.
However if you bid for example 21 on a minimum bid of 20 then you
will get penaltied as above.
Can I bid the dkp of the raid I am in cause we raided
2hrs already ?
As with any other system you cannot bid DKP you earned
on the current raid. So even if you came in time for the startbonus
(3dkp) and raided two hours with us (12 dkp) you cannot bid those
15 dkp. You can only bid those dkp that were listed on the website
Can I bid DKP for a friend of mine?
No, while you can spend your DKP on your main and dkp alt, you cannot
support any other character or person with it.
Problems, Questions, too much or less DKP ?
Screwups did, do and will happen. So if anything is amiss you have
the following ways to contact me:
- ingame email to Laurelina
- email to email@example.com
- Private Message on our messageboards to Laurelina
Do not hesitate to contact me when something is amiss. Please be aware
tho that it might take a bit for the raids to be entered.